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	<title>Comments on: Atheism&#8217;s true believers gather</title>
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		<title>By: Stephen Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.atheistconvention.org.au/2010/02/13/atheisms-true-believers-gather/comment-page-1/#comment-145</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 23:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As distillation of my post above was printed in the SMH letters today :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As distillation of my post above was printed in the SMH letters today <img src='http://www.atheistconvention.org.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ben Finney</title>
		<link>http://www.atheistconvention.org.au/2010/02/13/atheisms-true-believers-gather/comment-page-1/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Finney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 06:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nice to get publicity for the event, but there&#039;s a lot of bad reporting in this article.

The excerpt posted here is mostly okay, except for the weird lumping together of atheists, libertarians, and gay activists. I know plenty of vocal atheists who couldn&#039;t care less about libertarianism or gay rights. It&#039;s stupid to pretend they&#039;re united movements; atheism has its own arguments quite independent of one&#039;s position on political theory or sexual identity.

It&#039;s not a mistake, either; the article later goes further and say atheists &quot;are traditionally aligned with libertarianism&quot;. No, not at all; most atheists I know have a broad spectrum of political alignments, and a vanishing minority would agree with libertarianism. Silly, sloppy reporting.

Then there&#039;s the unwarranted barb against Richard Dawkins (&quot;the movement&#039;s supreme deity&quot;, bleargh), and referring to atheists as &quot;the faithless&quot; in full knowledge of the baggage that comes with that term.

All that said, though, it&#039;s a good collection of quotes from people involved with the convention, and does cover many of the issues that motivate vocal atheists, so I&#039;m glad it&#039;s out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's nice to get publicity for the event, but there's a lot of bad reporting in this article.</p>
<p>The excerpt posted here is mostly okay, except for the weird lumping together of atheists, libertarians, and gay activists. I know plenty of vocal atheists who couldn't care less about libertarianism or gay rights. It's stupid to pretend they're united movements; atheism has its own arguments quite independent of one's position on political theory or sexual identity.</p>
<p>It's not a mistake, either; the article later goes further and say atheists "are traditionally aligned with libertarianism". No, not at all; most atheists I know have a broad spectrum of political alignments, and a vanishing minority would agree with libertarianism. Silly, sloppy reporting.</p>
<p>Then there's the unwarranted barb against Richard Dawkins ("the movement's supreme deity", bleargh), and referring to atheists as "the faithless" in full knowledge of the baggage that comes with that term.</p>
<p>All that said, though, it's a good collection of quotes from people involved with the convention, and does cover many of the issues that motivate vocal atheists, so I'm glad it's out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Those RD.net readers certainly shred this article to pieces. Really bad journalism on so many levels when you scratch under the surface.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Those RD.net readers certainly shred this article to pieces. Really bad journalism on so many levels when you scratch under the surface.</p>
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		<title>By: Most Tweeted Articles by Atheism Experts</title>
		<link>http://www.atheistconvention.org.au/2010/02/13/atheisms-true-believers-gather/comment-page-1/#comment-142</link>
		<dc:creator>Most Tweeted Articles by Atheism Experts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  2  Tweets     Ten Atheist Billboards in Sacramento &#171; Proud Atheists             2  Tweets     Atheism&#8217;s true believers gather &#124; The Rise of Atheism     As religious extremism grows, its opponents are getting organised. Jacqueline Maley reports. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  2  Tweets     Ten Atheist Billboards in Sacramento &laquo; Proud Atheists             2  Tweets     Atheism&#8217;s true believers gather | The Rise of Atheism     As religious extremism grows, its opponents are getting organised. Jacqueline Maley reports. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 07:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its nice getting the publicity but nearly every line of this article can be taken apart with reasoned criticism.

If you don&#039;t believe me go and look at http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5078.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its nice getting the publicity but nearly every line of this article can be taken apart with reasoned criticism.</p>
<p>If you don't believe me go and look at <a href="http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5078" rel="nofollow">http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5078</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.atheistconvention.org.au/2010/02/13/atheisms-true-believers-gather/comment-page-1/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dawkins and Hitchens are certainly *absolutist*.  They have no truck with supernatural explanations of anything, and their disdain of religion follows from that -- logically, even inexorably. 

They cut believers no slack, even if faith provides succour to some.  They don&#039;t suffer fools, and their uncompromising reckoning of &#039;fool&#039; does lead, regretably perhaps, to rudeness.  

However, no way are they fundamentalists as theologian David Hohne asserts.  For the whole point of the scientific project is that truth is ours to discover, and is not to be “bequeathed by a deity” to unquestioning masses, as Hohne evidently would prefer. 

And what&#039;s this nonsense about new atheism being a hangover from the 19th century?  Serious athiesm must have started in the Enlightenment.  In the 19th century, deep thinkers were intoxicated to be sure on Darwin, for as Marx and Nietzsche rejoiced, natural selection is the &quot;death knell&quot; of teleology.  And thus atheism became internally complete, such that all thoughtful Christians inevitably are at least deeply disturbed by Darwin.  

But come on, how on earth does the petty label &quot;hangover&quot; even come close to describing the lasting effects of &#039;Darwin&#039;s dangerous idea&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawkins and Hitchens are certainly *absolutist*.  They have no truck with supernatural explanations of anything, and their disdain of religion follows from that -- logically, even inexorably. </p>
<p>They cut believers no slack, even if faith provides succour to some.  They don't suffer fools, and their uncompromising reckoning of 'fool' does lead, regretably perhaps, to rudeness.  </p>
<p>However, no way are they fundamentalists as theologian David Hohne asserts.  For the whole point of the scientific project is that truth is ours to discover, and is not to be “bequeathed by a deity” to unquestioning masses, as Hohne evidently would prefer. </p>
<p>And what's this nonsense about new atheism being a hangover from the 19th century?  Serious athiesm must have started in the Enlightenment.  In the 19th century, deep thinkers were intoxicated to be sure on Darwin, for as Marx and Nietzsche rejoiced, natural selection is the "death knell" of teleology.  And thus atheism became internally complete, such that all thoughtful Christians inevitably are at least deeply disturbed by Darwin.  </p>
<p>But come on, how on earth does the petty label "hangover" even come close to describing the lasting effects of 'Darwin's dangerous idea'?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Buzzard</title>
		<link>http://www.atheistconvention.org.au/2010/02/13/atheisms-true-believers-gather/comment-page-1/#comment-139</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Buzzard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australian taxpayers are expected to pay for religious organisations by way of Tax breaks and government handouts. Yet, atheists are left to foot their own bills in addition to paying for the religious.

Is it any surprise there is a backlash?

I don&#039;t want my taxes funding religious organisations until the government provides funding to the AFA.

~Dan
PerthAtheists.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australian taxpayers are expected to pay for religious organisations by way of Tax breaks and government handouts. Yet, atheists are left to foot their own bills in addition to paying for the religious.</p>
<p>Is it any surprise there is a backlash?</p>
<p>I don't want my taxes funding religious organisations until the government provides funding to the AFA.</p>
<p>~Dan<br />
PerthAtheists.org</p>
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